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	<title>Comments on: Go get 16:9 content for your 16:9 TVs, you morons</title>
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		<title>By: John R</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-90</link>
		<author>John R</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 10:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-90</guid>
					<description>One of my bigbears, too!

Actually, I'm a neanderthal who still has a 32" 4:3 CRT TV in his living room. Why? Because the issues of formats / HD etc. are not settled yet.

I remember watching people with early widescreens and wildly distorted 4:3 TV shows. Of course, these early adopters refused to admit that the image was naff.

And then you have high street stores such as Comet or Dixons who have giant show-stopping HD TVs in the entrance running standard fare DVDs - and all I can think is "nice TV size - pitty the image is ".

Oh, and by the time I get around to buying a HD TV - I'd expect a 'proper' anomorpic widescreen - not the psuedo 16:9 widescreen. I mean, come on - what were they thinking when they came up with &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt;?

Maybe it went like this:

Interior: Dull grey office full of management types...

GUY 1: "Hey guys, we should really try making widescreen TVs."
GUY 2: "Yeah, but then the videos and DVDs we look right."
GUY 3: "That's OK - we'll just sell two formats on this new DVD thingy coming out."
GUY 1: "Cool, but the 'box' shows will only take up half the screen..."

Guy at the end of the table swivels his chair around from staring out of the window with a big smirk on his face:

Guy 4: "I've got it. We'll make a NEW widescreen format. Once we've sold all the 'fullscreen' rubbish off and everyone's get used to it - we can &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; bring out the proper format. We'll call it a transition format."
Guy 2: "Yeah!"

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my bigbears, too!</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m a neanderthal who still has a 32&#8243; 4:3 CRT TV in his living room. Why? Because the issues of formats / HD etc. are not settled yet.</p>
<p>I remember watching people with early widescreens and wildly distorted 4:3 TV shows. Of course, these early adopters refused to admit that the image was naff.</p>
<p>And then you have high street stores such as Comet or Dixons who have giant show-stopping HD TVs in the entrance running standard fare DVDs - and all I can think is &#8220;nice TV size - pitty the image is &#8220;.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the time I get around to buying a HD TV - I&#8217;d expect a &#8216;proper&#8217; anomorpic widescreen - not the psuedo 16:9 widescreen. I mean, come on - what were they thinking when they came up with <em>that</em>?</p>
<p>Maybe it went like this:</p>
<p>Interior: Dull grey office full of management types&#8230;</p>
<p>GUY 1: &#8220;Hey guys, we should really try making widescreen TVs.&#8221;<br />
GUY 2: &#8220;Yeah, but then the videos and DVDs we look right.&#8221;<br />
GUY 3: &#8220;That&#8217;s OK - we&#8217;ll just sell two formats on this new DVD thingy coming out.&#8221;<br />
GUY 1: &#8220;Cool, but the &#8216;box&#8217; shows will only take up half the screen&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Guy at the end of the table swivels his chair around from staring out of the window with a big smirk on his face:</p>
<p>Guy 4: &#8220;I&#8217;ve got it. We&#8217;ll make a NEW widescreen format. Once we&#8217;ve sold all the &#8216;fullscreen&#8217; rubbish off and everyone&#8217;s get used to it - we can <em>then</em> bring out the proper format. We&#8217;ll call it a transition format.&#8221;<br />
Guy 2: &#8220;Yeah!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John R</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-91</link>
		<author>John R</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 10:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-91</guid>
					<description>I think I meant 'bugbears'. What the hell is a bigbear?</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Selliger</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-92</link>
		<author>Bill Selliger</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 13:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-92</guid>
					<description>Big Bear is a mountain northeast of Los Angeles. Half the time it's covered in snow, the other half it's on fire.</description>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-93</link>
		<author>Jamie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 15:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-93</guid>
					<description>I wasn't aware it was such a problem... you'd think it was common sense.</description>
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		<title>By: Bryan K</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-95</link>
		<author>Bryan K</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 00:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-95</guid>
					<description>Yeah, you'd think it'd be common sense -- but it's not.  People are morons, almost without fail, and especially when it comes to any kind of technology.

(Personally, I'm staying as far away from HD-DVD and BluRay as I can for as long as possible, but that's just because I don't like all the DRM and encryption crap.  That's also one of the reasons I'll never willingly use Vista.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;d think it&#8217;d be common sense &#8212; but it&#8217;s not.  People are morons, almost without fail, and especially when it comes to any kind of technology.</p>
<p>(Personally, I&#8217;m staying as far away from HD-DVD and BluRay as I can for as long as possible, but that&#8217;s just because I don&#8217;t like all the DRM and encryption crap.  That&#8217;s also one of the reasons I&#8217;ll never willingly use Vista.)</p>
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		<title>By: smeos</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-96</link>
		<author>smeos</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 06:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-96</guid>
					<description>Very Maddox-esque. I like it.</description>
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		<title>By: Chief Oddball</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-97</link>
		<author>Chief Oddball</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 22:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-97</guid>
					<description>Hear hear.  It drives me bats when restaurants, bars, etc. are showing fully-stretched 4:3 content on their expensive LCD and plasma widescreen monitors.  Everything looks like crap!  And worse, it usually appears as though I am the only guy in the place who can tell!

Even worse when big-box retailers are running stretched SD content through their new HD sets (which of course is split sixteen ways until it looks even worse than it already did).  Practically impossible to tell how a monitor is really going to perform unless you pipe some real content through it.  It's like taking a new Porsche out for a test run, and then just driving 20 MPH in a straight line.

BTW, longtime reader from Jammer's Reviews here. I consult your reviews not only for assistance when I'm looking for a good, nostalgic episode of DS9 to watch, but as episode guides too.  Nothing finer out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear.  It drives me bats when restaurants, bars, etc. are showing fully-stretched 4:3 content on their expensive LCD and plasma widescreen monitors.  Everything looks like crap!  And worse, it usually appears as though I am the only guy in the place who can tell!</p>
<p>Even worse when big-box retailers are running stretched SD content through their new HD sets (which of course is split sixteen ways until it looks even worse than it already did).  Practically impossible to tell how a monitor is really going to perform unless you pipe some real content through it.  It&#8217;s like taking a new Porsche out for a test run, and then just driving 20 MPH in a straight line.</p>
<p>BTW, longtime reader from Jammer&#8217;s Reviews here. I consult your reviews not only for assistance when I&#8217;m looking for a good, nostalgic episode of DS9 to watch, but as episode guides too.  Nothing finer out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-106</link>
		<author>Mike</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-106</guid>
					<description>I cannot figure out why someone would want to stretch out 4:3 material just so that it "fits the screen". Why would you want to see it distorted? Watch it pillarboxed so it retains its original aspect ratio. If they don't like doing that, they shouldn't have even gotten an HDTV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot figure out why someone would want to stretch out 4:3 material just so that it &#8220;fits the screen&#8221;. Why would you want to see it distorted? Watch it pillarboxed so it retains its original aspect ratio. If they don&#8217;t like doing that, they shouldn&#8217;t have even gotten an HDTV.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamahl Epsicokhan</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-108</link>
		<author>Jamahl Epsicokhan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 04:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-108</guid>
					<description>"Pillarboxed." I need to add that word to my lexicon. In fact, I am going to edit this blog entry to include the term so it is more correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pillarboxed.&#8221; I need to add that word to my lexicon. In fact, I am going to edit this blog entry to include the term so it is more correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-118</link>
		<author>Andrew</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 09:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-118</guid>
					<description>your blog expresses everything i always want to say. it is my biggest pet peeve when people use the wrong settings and get weird distorted images. even worse for me than streching 4:3 images to fit a 16:9 is when people have a 16:9 tv and 19:9 video and they set their tv to force the black bars to show up on the top and bottom still. also i agree they should stop labeling videos and "widescreen" and "fullscreen" since there are dozens of aspect ratios that are 'wider' than 4:3 and people think fullscreen is the whole picture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your blog expresses everything i always want to say. it is my biggest pet peeve when people use the wrong settings and get weird distorted images. even worse for me than streching 4:3 images to fit a 16:9 is when people have a 16:9 tv and 19:9 video and they set their tv to force the black bars to show up on the top and bottom still. also i agree they should stop labeling videos and &#8220;widescreen&#8221; and &#8220;fullscreen&#8221; since there are dozens of aspect ratios that are &#8216;wider&#8217; than 4:3 and people think fullscreen is the whole picture</p>
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		<title>By: NMK</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-130</link>
		<author>NMK</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 20:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-130</guid>
					<description>I think a lot of people with widescreen TVs stretch the 4:3 image out because they are afraid it will damage the TV to have the sides of the picture displaying nothing but black bars most of the time.  The middle of the screen will wear out more than the edges.

My TV's manual warns against using the 4:3 ratio in unstretched mode for extended periods.  It bugs me, but I'd rather deal with a squashed picture than a TV with a burned-in picture.

I think that certainly explains why bars and restaurants tend to use their TVs that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of people with widescreen TVs stretch the 4:3 image out because they are afraid it will damage the TV to have the sides of the picture displaying nothing but black bars most of the time.  The middle of the screen will wear out more than the edges.</p>
<p>My TV&#8217;s manual warns against using the 4:3 ratio in unstretched mode for extended periods.  It bugs me, but I&#8217;d rather deal with a squashed picture than a TV with a burned-in picture.</p>
<p>I think that certainly explains why bars and restaurants tend to use their TVs that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamahl Epsicokhan</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-131</link>
		<author>Jamahl Epsicokhan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 23:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-131</guid>
					<description>NMK makes a good point I hadn't considered, but I wonder how much that warning holds water when you consider that 2.35:1 movies are still letterboxed even on 16:9. Surely letterboxing (or reverse letterboxing) can't be discouraged on these new TVs?

Of course, ultimately it would be nice if everyone with 16:9 TVs would just go get 16:9 content. The problem we're going to see for a number of years, is that there's too much 4:3 content still out there forcing this to be an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NMK makes a good point I hadn&#8217;t considered, but I wonder how much that warning holds water when you consider that 2.35:1 movies are still letterboxed even on 16:9. Surely letterboxing (or reverse letterboxing) can&#8217;t be discouraged on these new TVs?</p>
<p>Of course, ultimately it would be nice if everyone with 16:9 TVs would just go get 16:9 content. The problem we&#8217;re going to see for a number of years, is that there&#8217;s too much 4:3 content still out there forcing this to be an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-204</link>
		<author>B. Stewart</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-204</guid>
					<description>I'll have a new HDTV soon but I'll be waiting a bit to get HD content and I'll tell you why.  The F*cking receiver is another $500.  Sorta gonna have trouble paying for the TV in the first place.  Yeah,  the extra fee for the HDTV content is nominal ($10/mo or something) but the damn box costs half of what a decent TV goes for.  Other than that I agree with your whole post Jammer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have a new HDTV soon but I&#8217;ll be waiting a bit to get HD content and I&#8217;ll tell you why.  The F*cking receiver is another $500.  Sorta gonna have trouble paying for the TV in the first place.  Yeah,  the extra fee for the HDTV content is nominal ($10/mo or something) but the damn box costs half of what a decent TV goes for.  Other than that I agree with your whole post Jammer!</p>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-288</link>
		<author>Stef</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-288</guid>
					<description>Trying to convince the heathens that think 'full screen' DVDs are the way to go because widescreen 'cut the top and bottom off' is difficult enough.

Then they see a 4:3 image squashed (Stretched? Squeezed?) into a 16:9 TV and they get on their high horse (of cliched stupidity):
 
"Oh, if this is 'Wide screen' then I'll stick with my regular TV!!!!!"

Bah. I'm amazed these people aren't still using a Bakelite radio.

Actually I'm amazed some of these people have the mental capacity to breathe.

There was the comment above about the 4:3 image being burnt into the screen. This has happened with my plasma, because when I first bought it (3 years old this week) there were still quite a few shows in 4:3 here in the UK (And there still are if you watch the channels showing old repeats). And as for episodes of Trek, X-files, Moonlighting etc (in fact any of my old DVDs/VHS) then it is 4:3.

If I am watching a 16:9 show and the screen is quite light, then you can see the burnt edges of the 4:3 image. Annoying but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to convince the heathens that think &#8216;full screen&#8217; DVDs are the way to go because widescreen &#8216;cut the top and bottom off&#8217; is difficult enough.</p>
<p>Then they see a 4:3 image squashed (Stretched? Squeezed?) into a 16:9 TV and they get on their high horse (of cliched stupidity):</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, if this is &#8216;Wide screen&#8217; then I&#8217;ll stick with my regular TV!!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Bah. I&#8217;m amazed these people aren&#8217;t still using a Bakelite radio.</p>
<p>Actually I&#8217;m amazed some of these people have the mental capacity to breathe.</p>
<p>There was the comment above about the 4:3 image being burnt into the screen. This has happened with my plasma, because when I first bought it (3 years old this week) there were still quite a few shows in 4:3 here in the UK (And there still are if you watch the channels showing old repeats). And as for episodes of Trek, X-files, Moonlighting etc (in fact any of my old DVDs/VHS) then it is 4:3.</p>
<p>If I am watching a 16:9 show and the screen is quite light, then you can see the burnt edges of the 4:3 image. Annoying but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamahl Epsicokhan</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-290</link>
		<author>Jamahl Epsicokhan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-290</guid>
					<description>I wonder if the burn-in problem is as much of a problem with DLP as with Plasma or LCD. I've read that burn-in is less an issue with DLP. That would be a selling point for the format, because I want to watch 4:3 content not stretched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the burn-in problem is as much of a problem with DLP as with Plasma or LCD. I&#8217;ve read that burn-in is less an issue with DLP. That would be a selling point for the format, because I want to watch 4:3 content not stretched.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-314</link>
		<author>Wade</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-314</guid>
					<description>Yo.  There's a third option out there if you go for HD rear projection.  LCOS is the generic name and JVC calls it D-ILA.  That in my tube and I'm a big fan.  I think its better but tougher to explain to the average mornon that just wants HD TV and is dumb enough to buy the TV but not the HD signal.  Check it out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lcos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo.  There&#8217;s a third option out there if you go for HD rear projection.  LCOS is the generic name and JVC calls it D-ILA.  That in my tube and I&#8217;m a big fan.  I think its better but tougher to explain to the average mornon that just wants HD TV and is dumb enough to buy the TV but not the HD signal.  Check it out&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lcos" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lcos</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Hanrahan</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-567</link>
		<author>Jamie Hanrahan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-567</guid>
					<description>Burn-in is not a problem with DLP at all.  It's one reason I bought one. 

LCD and, I believe, LCOS can exhibit a form of temporary image retention, but it heals itself in a matter of minutes. 

My new DLP RP set has a "zoom" mode that takes 16:9 letterboxed content from 4:3 signals (as when watching, say, Stargate on SciFi channel) and stretches it to fill the screen.  Result: No black bars, and no distortion. I just wish the amount of zoom was adjustable, because it zooms just a little bit too much, and hence cuts off a bit at the top and bottom.  The position is adjustable (so I can adjust it to cut off at the bottom only, which is generally better) but the amount of zoom isn't.  Still it's much better than either letterboxing or a distorted image. 

Actually, what I REALLY wish is that scifi channel came in HD,  but oh well....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burn-in is not a problem with DLP at all.  It&#8217;s one reason I bought one. </p>
<p>LCD and, I believe, LCOS can exhibit a form of temporary image retention, but it heals itself in a matter of minutes. </p>
<p>My new DLP RP set has a &#8220;zoom&#8221; mode that takes 16:9 letterboxed content from 4:3 signals (as when watching, say, Stargate on SciFi channel) and stretches it to fill the screen.  Result: No black bars, and no distortion. I just wish the amount of zoom was adjustable, because it zooms just a little bit too much, and hence cuts off a bit at the top and bottom.  The position is adjustable (so I can adjust it to cut off at the bottom only, which is generally better) but the amount of zoom isn&#8217;t.  Still it&#8217;s much better than either letterboxing or a distorted image. </p>
<p>Actually, what I REALLY wish is that scifi channel came in HD,  but oh well&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Omega333</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-1848</link>
		<author>Omega333</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/46#comment-1848</guid>
					<description>I as a person with bad vision generally frown upon 'widescreen' as while I recieve the full picture, I also can't see best what is going on in it. That and you only miss so much in 'fullscreen' (some would argue a lot, though it varies with what you are watching...)

I suppose one solution would be to just buy a bigger tv. Uh-huh.

Aside from that though, it seems i'll have much the same issue with the 4:3 in the 16:9 era...or maybe not with what later comments suggest.

Eventually we'll just have content piped into our brain and do away with this whole aspect thing altogether...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I as a person with bad vision generally frown upon &#8216;widescreen&#8217; as while I recieve the full picture, I also can&#8217;t see best what is going on in it. That and you only miss so much in &#8216;fullscreen&#8217; (some would argue a lot, though it varies with what you are watching&#8230;)</p>
<p>I suppose one solution would be to just buy a bigger tv. Uh-huh.</p>
<p>Aside from that though, it seems i&#8217;ll have much the same issue with the 4:3 in the 16:9 era&#8230;or maybe not with what later comments suggest.</p>
<p>Eventually we&#8217;ll just have content piped into our brain and do away with this whole aspect thing altogether&#8230;</p>
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