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	<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59</link>
	<description>Jammer's random blog that simply do what it do.</description>
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		<title>By: dss</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-258</link>
		<author>dss</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-258</guid>
					<description>Alas, it's sometimes hard to know when an online service will go bad.  I was an early Registerfly customer and at the time their service and pricing was pretty good.  You know how picky I get. :)  I was actually recommending them to people.  Then their website started flaking, customer service and tech support quality declined drastically, and I transferred all my domains out.  Maybe I was lucky or got out early because my transfers encountered little or no snags.

I'm a big DIY type and would love to own/run all the components.  I want to be my own registrar, web host, mail host, ISP, but all this can become expensive (in time and money) real fast.  Plus, I have a regular job so I can't really manage all this on the side.  Therein lies the dilemma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, it&#8217;s sometimes hard to know when an online service will go bad.  I was an early Registerfly customer and at the time their service and pricing was pretty good.  You know how picky I get. <img src='http://www.idwid.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I was actually recommending them to people.  Then their website started flaking, customer service and tech support quality declined drastically, and I transferred all my domains out.  Maybe I was lucky or got out early because my transfers encountered little or no snags.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big DIY type and would love to own/run all the components.  I want to be my own registrar, web host, mail host, ISP, but all this can become expensive (in time and money) real fast.  Plus, I have a regular job so I can&#8217;t really manage all this on the side.  Therein lies the dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamahl Epsicokhan</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-259</link>
		<author>Jamahl Epsicokhan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-259</guid>
					<description>I know you were recommending RegisterFly to people. You were the one who recommended them to me. Don't think I forgot. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you were recommending RegisterFly to people. You were the one who recommended them to me. Don&#8217;t think I forgot. <img src='http://www.idwid.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dss</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-260</link>
		<author>dss</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-260</guid>
					<description>Yea, sorry for the bad recommendation.  They weren't bad at the time I made the recommendation!

After the rfly debacle, I'm now especially paranoid about the cheaper registrars.  Makes me wonder if some of the longer operating companies charge more because of reputation.  Network Solutions was the original registrar for com, net, org (I think) and afaik, their price has been and still is $35/yr.  I've also heard they've engaged in shady practices like making it difficult to transfer out, essentially holding your domain hostage until you jump through all their convoluted hoops.  Meanwhile, you're still paying their high prices.

I forget if it was NetSol or an affiliate (Verisign?) that redirected all non-registered com, net, org domains to their own pages.  Many people were crying foul because they abused their position as the com,net,org authority to capture all the traffic resulting from typo'ed urls.  Not only were there political reasons but this broke how DNS was supposed to work.  Instead of getting a "host not found" which was useful for network troubleshooting among other things, *all* domains now resolved to *something*.

Stupid shady companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, sorry for the bad recommendation.  They weren&#8217;t bad at the time I made the recommendation!</p>
<p>After the rfly debacle, I&#8217;m now especially paranoid about the cheaper registrars.  Makes me wonder if some of the longer operating companies charge more because of reputation.  Network Solutions was the original registrar for com, net, org (I think) and afaik, their price has been and still is $35/yr.  I&#8217;ve also heard they&#8217;ve engaged in shady practices like making it difficult to transfer out, essentially holding your domain hostage until you jump through all their convoluted hoops.  Meanwhile, you&#8217;re still paying their high prices.</p>
<p>I forget if it was NetSol or an affiliate (Verisign?) that redirected all non-registered com, net, org domains to their own pages.  Many people were crying foul because they abused their position as the com,net,org authority to capture all the traffic resulting from typo&#8217;ed urls.  Not only were there political reasons but this broke how DNS was supposed to work.  Instead of getting a &#8220;host not found&#8221; which was useful for network troubleshooting among other things, *all* domains now resolved to *something*.</p>
<p>Stupid shady companies.</p>
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		<title>By: dss</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-261</link>
		<author>dss</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-261</guid>
					<description>dude, go to sleep, dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, go to sleep, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamahl Epsicokhan</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-264</link>
		<author>Jamahl Epsicokhan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-264</guid>
					<description>dude, do some WERK, dood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, do some WERK, dood</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan K</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-271</link>
		<author>Bryan K</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-271</guid>
					<description>dyndns.org FTW!

(Well, at least for the name hosting.  I don't know if they do registration or not; I don't think so.)

Actually, I've heard a lot of good things about Register4Less at UserFriendly.  I have a feeling R4L is UF's registrar, and I know they run ads there every so often.  But I've heard good things about them from other members there too, which confirm the ads, so I'm a bit more confident that the ads aren't lying.  However, I've never tried them myself.

(My 2 DNS names are in the dyndns-owned domains: is-a-geek.net and homelinux.net.  Basically, that means I can use them for free, as long as dyndns exists.  But now that I think about it, that may not be a good idea.  Hmm.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dyndns.org FTW!</p>
<p>(Well, at least for the name hosting.  I don&#8217;t know if they do registration or not; I don&#8217;t think so.)</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of good things about Register4Less at UserFriendly.  I have a feeling R4L is UF&#8217;s registrar, and I know they run ads there every so often.  But I&#8217;ve heard good things about them from other members there too, which confirm the ads, so I&#8217;m a bit more confident that the ads aren&#8217;t lying.  However, I&#8217;ve never tried them myself.</p>
<p>(My 2 DNS names are in the dyndns-owned domains: is-a-geek.net and homelinux.net.  Basically, that means I can use them for free, as long as dyndns exists.  But now that I think about it, that may not be a good idea.  Hmm.)</p>
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		<title>By: dss</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-277</link>
		<author>dss</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-277</guid>
					<description>To Bryan K:
Heed Jammer's first sentence: "If you are running a web site, make sure that you maintain as much control over your domain name as you can."  The more valuable your site is to you, the more control you should probably have.

I think dyndns does registrations too, at least recently.  Last I checked they're pricy though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Bryan K:<br />
Heed Jammer&#8217;s first sentence: &#8220;If you are running a web site, make sure that you maintain as much control over your domain name as you can.&#8221;  The more valuable your site is to you, the more control you should probably have.</p>
<p>I think dyndns does registrations too, at least recently.  Last I checked they&#8217;re pricy though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan K</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-278</link>
		<author>Bryan K</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-278</guid>
					<description>Yeah -- it's not the web site that I care about, though, it's the email domain.  (I run my own mail server.)

I guess it's a question of how well (and whether) dyndns will survive.  I'm not sure why, but they seem to me like one of those groups that'll be around for a long time.  Could be wrong, though, and that's what I'm wondering about now.

When I first got these names, I didn't see anywhere on their site where they'd act as a registrar.  The only option was to act as the host (if I already had a domain through a separate registrar), which I believe would have cost me a fairly small one-time fee.  They may be a registrar now, though.

In any case, if I moved to my own registrar, I'd have to change the domains I use as well.  (The domains I use are below the two mentioned above.)  Or I could just run my own DNS server, and point to that in the registration, but that means I need to keep a second view up to date.  Plus the server itself.  (I already run BIND 9, but it'll only serve requests from the internal network, and there's only one view.)

But yeah, I should probably reconsider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8212; it&#8217;s not the web site that I care about, though, it&#8217;s the email domain.  (I run my own mail server.)</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s a question of how well (and whether) dyndns will survive.  I&#8217;m not sure why, but they seem to me like one of those groups that&#8217;ll be around for a long time.  Could be wrong, though, and that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m wondering about now.</p>
<p>When I first got these names, I didn&#8217;t see anywhere on their site where they&#8217;d act as a registrar.  The only option was to act as the host (if I already had a domain through a separate registrar), which I believe would have cost me a fairly small one-time fee.  They may be a registrar now, though.</p>
<p>In any case, if I moved to my own registrar, I&#8217;d have to change the domains I use as well.  (The domains I use are below the two mentioned above.)  Or I could just run my own DNS server, and point to that in the registration, but that means I need to keep a second view up to date.  Plus the server itself.  (I already run BIND 9, but it&#8217;ll only serve requests from the internal network, and there&#8217;s only one view.)</p>
<p>But yeah, I should probably reconsider.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamahl Epsicokhan</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-280</link>
		<author>Jamahl Epsicokhan</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-280</guid>
					<description>You might want to check what their registrar policies are. A lot of hosting services will register domains on your behalf. You own them, but they register them for you and put their information in as the technical contact.

Lunarpages, for example, registers their customers through Tucows (you get the domain free of charge as long as you're with them). The customer still maintains control of the domain and can take it with them if they choose to leave Lunarpages for a different hosting service. Technically, they could still leave the domain registered through Tucows since the admin for the domain name is separate from the hosting plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to check what their registrar policies are. A lot of hosting services will register domains on your behalf. You own them, but they register them for you and put their information in as the technical contact.</p>
<p>Lunarpages, for example, registers their customers through Tucows (you get the domain free of charge as long as you&#8217;re with them). The customer still maintains control of the domain and can take it with them if they choose to leave Lunarpages for a different hosting service. Technically, they could still leave the domain registered through Tucows since the admin for the domain name is separate from the hosting plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan K</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-286</link>
		<author>Bryan K</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-286</guid>
					<description>Right, just change the NS (and possibly the glue) records for the domain in the TLD zone to point to the new host.  (Or at least, that's what the registrar does for you.)

But anyway, it looks like their DNS-hosting service (for domains outside the ones they own) is $25/year, and their registrar fee is $15/year.  That's not too terrible IMO (though it is more than some other hosts/registrars).  OTOH, what I have now is free.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, just change the NS (and possibly the glue) records for the domain in the TLD zone to point to the new host.  (Or at least, that&#8217;s what the registrar does for you.)</p>
<p>But anyway, it looks like their DNS-hosting service (for domains outside the ones they own) is $25/year, and their registrar fee is $15/year.  That&#8217;s not too terrible IMO (though it is more than some other hosts/registrars).  OTOH, what I have now is free.  <img src='http://www.idwid.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dss</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-431</link>
		<author>dss</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-431</guid>
					<description>To Bryan K:
Free = 3LD under dyndns.  Pay = your own 2LD.  Depends on your needs I suppose.  Not a sign of a good business if your corporate website is something.dyndns.org.  I was happy dyndns started offering registrations because I had bee previously happy with their dyn services.  I've been a long time user and have noticed consistent quality.  $25 is a bit much tho, compared to other offerings out there that are still of decent quality.  I now use Godaddy and 1and1.  They're been occasional rants to tech support, but I expect that when dealing with any online service nowadays. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Bryan K:<br />
Free = 3LD under dyndns.  Pay = your own 2LD.  Depends on your needs I suppose.  Not a sign of a good business if your corporate website is something.dyndns.org.  I was happy dyndns started offering registrations because I had bee previously happy with their dyn services.  I&#8217;ve been a long time user and have noticed consistent quality.  $25 is a bit much tho, compared to other offerings out there that are still of decent quality.  I now use Godaddy and 1and1.  They&#8217;re been occasional rants to tech support, but I expect that when dealing with any online service nowadays. <img src='http://www.idwid.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan K</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-518</link>
		<author>Bryan K</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-518</guid>
					<description>Ah -- you're right, I wouldn't use it for a business setup; a business can certainly afford to pay $40/year for a "real" (2-level) name.  For a personal site, though (with nothing on it -- the most important bit is the mail server), it's fine.

(For that matter, it's not like I couldn't afford it, either.  But zero is still less than 40, and I think it's fairly adequate for what I'm doing with it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8212; you&#8217;re right, I wouldn&#8217;t use it for a business setup; a business can certainly afford to pay $40/year for a &#8220;real&#8221; (2-level) name.  For a personal site, though (with nothing on it &#8212; the most important bit is the mail server), it&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>(For that matter, it&#8217;s not like I couldn&#8217;t afford it, either.  But zero is still less than 40, and I think it&#8217;s fairly adequate for what I&#8217;m doing with it.)</p>
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		<title>By: D Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-1283</link>
		<author>D Payne</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-1283</guid>
					<description>Jammer, I've noticed that you opted not to use Lunarpages for the domain registration. Are there other disadvanatges, other than having Tucows listed as the technical support contact? I'm thinking of creating a site with Lunarpages but I'm not sure whether to go with the free domain or not. How much control do you really get? If the site was shut down by Lunarpages themselves or they went out of business, would you still have the domain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jammer, I&#8217;ve noticed that you opted not to use Lunarpages for the domain registration. Are there other disadvanatges, other than having Tucows listed as the technical support contact? I&#8217;m thinking of creating a site with Lunarpages but I&#8217;m not sure whether to go with the free domain or not. How much control do you really get? If the site was shut down by Lunarpages themselves or they went out of business, would you still have the domain?</p>
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		<title>By: Janni</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-18255</link>
		<author>Janni</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-18255</guid>
					<description>I agree this means nothing lots of registrars will do the job for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree this means nothing lots of registrars will do the job for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tampa Gas Scooters</title>
		<link>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-24272</link>
		<author>Tampa Gas Scooters</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.idwid.com/blog/archives/59#comment-24272</guid>
					<description>Janni, you got that right. Especially today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janni, you got that right. Especially today.</p>
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